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Monday, July 18, 2011

My Response to Mike Ghouse

Mike Ghouse is a Muslim Apologist and a leading advocate for Pluralism. Mr Ghouse is a frequent guest of The Hannity show on Fox News Channel and recently wrote to Christopher Logan of Logan's Warning. I am tired of Mr Ghouse's half truths and his mis-guided Beliefs about Pluralism.  I felt led to respond to Mr Ghouse from a Theological standpoint.  I've included the portions of his response that are false from a Biblical standpoint.  If you would like to see his entire response you can read it here:

http://loganswarning.com/2011/07/08/hannity-guest-mike-ghouse-responds-to-logans-warning-with-another-islamocon/



Mr. Ghouse,
I am thrilled you decided to respond Christopher Logan. Your response gives me the opportunity to respond to you, something I have long hoped for. I maintain you and Dr Zuhdi Jasser are two of the most dangerous people in the world at this time. As a Preacher, and a Born again Christian, its not my place or my intention to judge your or Dr. Jasser’s motives. I suspect both of you have good intentions. It is my place, my duty, to warn of false teachings and heresy.
The danger presented by you and Dr Jasser is not from suicide bombers or jets being flown into buildings. It comes from practicing and Preaching a form of Islam that is NOT factually based on the Qur’an or the aHadith and certainly not on Sharia. You lull people who want to believe that Islam is a “Religion of Peace” into the myth that it is. You sir take the danger even further by Preaching your all inclusive pluralism. There is NO Biblical justification for pluralism. There is ONLY one God, and He is not Allah, nor Buddha, nor anyone else in your Pluralistic Society.
Before going into our Theological differences, a couple of observations. I thought this part of your reply to Mr. Logan was pretty comical. “I have done my part and it is up to you to research the truth. I have responded to Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, and Naomi… Ali Sina and several others, they don’t read, their purpose is to make money- look at your own site, asking for money, that is your business. I am not looking for any money and just doing my share of the work to build a cohesive America where no one has to live in apprehension of the other.” Your implication that Mr. Logans purpose, along with these others is to make money is funny considering all over your websites you are called a “Professional Speaker”. Do you travel around speaking for free? Do you intend to give the two books you are writing or sell them? People who live in glass house shouldn’t throw stones.
You also write:

Robert Spencer, Geert Wilders, Brigitte Gabriel, Nonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Alan Dershowitz, Ali Sina and a host of others are guided by those translations and it suits them to sell hate and frightened nincompoops write those checks.I wonder Mr. Ghouse just how many “ frightened nincompoops write those checks” to you? People so frightened of Radical Islam that out of hope and fear they buy into your liberal interpretation of Islam and the Qur’an. People who out of fear so want to believe there is a liberal or moderate Islam out there that will rise against the more Devout Muslims.
The next thing is all of your talk of humility, both in your response to Mr. Logan, and on your websites, yet all over your websites are listed your accomplishments. Your websites have your pictures proclaiming you as a professional speaker all over them. Places you have spoken … all the “good works” you feel you have done. Your talk of humility reeks of hypocrisy.
On to the Theology!
You write :
In the context of an ordinance enjoining war against them. this “something” can mean only one thing-namely, unprovoked aggression: for it is this that has been forbidden by God through all the apostles who were entrusted with conveying His message to man. Thus, the above verse must be understood as a call to the believers to fight against such-and only such-of the nominal followers of earlier revelation as deny their own professed beliefs by committing aggression against the followers of the Qur’an (cf. Manar X, 338).(Quran Ref: 9:29 )[42] See in this connection the statement (in 5:13-14) that the Jews and the Christians “have forgotten much of what they had been told to bear in mind”. (Quran Ref: 9:29).
Why did you stop at 5:13-14? Are you not using that Quranic text out of context without including verses 15-17?
15. O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,-
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Now lets go on to 9:29 you reference:
29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
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In reading these verses in their entirety, not taking them out of context, it is plain to see that as a Born Again Christian who believes in Jesus Christ, as my Lord and Savior, not a prophet, I am guilty of blasphemy according to the Qur’an. You and I both are very aware of the punishment for blasphemy according to Sharia Law. I tell you Mr. Ghouse the same thing I tell Christian Pastors about The Holy Bible. It is what it is. It is the perfect infalliable Word of God. You take it whole, either you Believe it is The Word of God or you don’t. As a Muslim you are supposed to feel the same about the Qur’an. You don’t gloss over or “cherry pick” it to make your point. You sir, try to make your point of Islam being a Religion of Peace, by perverting the Qur’an. You sir, in trying to make your “perfect utopian pluralistic society” pervert The Holy Bible. You sir, commit blasphemy to both Religions.
The big difference, as a Christian I Pray for you. I Pray God will remove the scales from your eye’s and help you to see the truth. I Pray for God to forgive you. For the time being your Devout Muslim Brothers tolerate your blasphemy because you are a tool for them. No more, no less. The day you stop being useful to them they will turn on you for your blasphemy.
You write:
Since Jesus is the promised Messiah predicted in Islam, the right wing Christian assumes that Jesus is a Muslim (p0litical) and will destroy them, as the Logan website writes it up. Likewise the right wing Muslim believes that when Jesus takes out the evil, he took out Christianity. How ignorant are some of these folks.Excuse me?!?!?! I know absolutely NO Christian who assumes Jesus is a Muslim!! I know of no true Christian who knows anything about Islam, that believes Jesus of The Holy Bible is Jesus of the Qur’an. For a Christian to believe that would be blasphemy. When people such as yourself start Preaching your pluralistic society nonsense you aren’t just endangering peoples lives Mr. Ghouse, you are endangering something much more valuable, their souls. The Bible warns over and over of people like you.
1 John 2:17-19King James Version (KJV)
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
1 John 2:21-23King James Version (KJV)
I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1 John 4:2-4King James Version (KJV)
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
2 John 1-11King James Version (KJV)
The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth; For the truth's sake, which dwelleth in us, and shall be with us for ever. Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father. And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
All of the Scriptures above as well as many, many more I can quote shoot holes all through your claims of Pluralism. What angers me however, is your claim that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is merely a Prophet. That you and your Muslim Brothers try to put him in the same category as Mohammed. As a Muslim you say He wasn’t hung on a tree, He didn’t die on that Cross to pay our sin debt, and was not resurrected! How dare you!
Mr. Ghouse, for the sake of your soul I implore you to read those verses above. Pay very, very close attention to the last 2 verses Mr. Ghouse. For the sake of the people who follow your false teachings I challenge you. Do the same thing Dr. Mark Gabriel did. Study The Holy Bible, try to prove it wrong. Do it honestly and with an open heart. Read Dr. Gabriel’s books. Fact check The Holy Bible against science. The earliest copy of The New Testament found so far dates back to 125 A.D. There are more than 24,000 of the Ancient manuscripts. They all say the same thing. With all of the massive manuscript evidence you would think there would be massive discrepancies - just the opposite is true. New Testament manuscripts agree in 99.5% of the text. Most of the discrepancies are in spelling and word order. A few words have been changed or added. The Holy Spirit made sure we would have an accurate copy of God's word so we would not be deceived. The Mormons, theological liberals as well as other cults and false religions such as Islam that claim the Bible has been tampered with are completely proven false by the extensive, historical manuscript evidence. Most Muslim Apologists I have debated say the Bible was corrupted in 300 A.D., science disproves this.
I challenge you Mr. Ghouse. Study The Bible. Study the science. You have been and will remain in my Prayers.
Dan Cox
 
 
 
 

2 comments:

  1. Well such kind of Muslims and their knowledge. I think pe4ople should stop caring about them. n Bible and Quran is very different in my opinion as bible and Quran as Quran is guarded by ALLAH and Bible is changed by human we take Bible Prophet as messenger of ALLAH and they take them as son of ALLAH big big difference because what we go is Quran reading and understanding and e all know we are reading the true book.

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  2. Mohammad had not compiled the Quranic material into a single Quran Manuscript. He recommended four teachers to teach the Quranic material. He also confirmed that the Quran could be recited in seven different ways.

    Khalifa Abu Bakr ordered Zaid bin Thabit, one of the scribes, who was not one of the four teachers Mohammad had recommended, to compile the Quranic material into one single manuscript, when the qurra started to die in battle.

    Within a few years, different versions of the Quran were in circulation, causing problems among the Muslim community. Khalifa Uthman ordered the distribution of modified copies of the Zaid bin Thabit version of the Quran that was with Khalifa Umar’s daughter, Hafsa. He also ordered the destruction of all other Qurans that were compiled by others.

    The Bible however is the perfect inspired Word of God. As to your claim The Holy Bible was CHANGED by man:

    There are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000.

    Almost all biblical scholars agree that the New Testament documents were all written before the close of the First Century. If Jesus was crucified in 30 A.D., then that means that the entire New Testament was completed within 70 years. This is important because it means there were plenty of people around when the New Testament documents were penned who could have contested the writings. In other words, those who wrote the documents knew that if they were inaccurate, plenty of people would have pointed it out. But, we have absolutely no ancient documents contemporary with the First Century that contest the New Testament texts.

    Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri 125 A.D.). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing INCLUDING the qur'an and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document.

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